Mike Duffy trial: Day 59

Mike Duffy returns to the stand for cross-examination from the Crown attorney.

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    We're back in courtroom 33! Duffy will face cross-examination from the Crown today, after days of relatively friendly testimony under questioning from Donald Bayne. This could get very interesting!
    Bayne reiterates he has no further questions. Crown - Holmes - is up. Says good morning to Duffy.
    Holmes says he will go over the charges in the same order as Bayne. Holmes is asking Duffy about his employment at CJCH, he was there doing weekends in the fall of 64. Moved to CKDH in Amherst for 11 months. He went to CKOY in Ottawa, went there at the request of a man named Hal Anthony. You were a Nova Scotia resident at that time? That's right. So you wouldn't be a resident of PEI until Dec. 2008 is that right? Well it depends on your definition of 'resident,' but yes.
    If we go in the same order as Bayne, that means Duffy's history before his appointment to the Senate, appointment to the Senate and then going through the charges: partisan travel first, contracting second and - of course - the $90K cheque last.
    Holmes asks Duffy about his story of getting cameras at the Supreme Court, and Elly Alboim's involvement. Did that story even involve you? It involved me doing a live broadcast from the foyer of the Supreme Court on one of the biggest stories from the court ever. This was a story of yours to showcase the golden age of the CBC? Yes that's right. Duffy was getting cameras in the courtroom was 'novel,' Laskin allowed cameras in the back of the room for retirement ceremonies. Duffy says they were looking forward to a historic decision on unilateral patriation, wanted to make the court easy with the prospect. So they judges were uneasy? Holmes asks. I don't know, Duffy says, he says Laskin assumed the camera set-up would be the same as the retirement ceremonies. Duffy said the point of my story was that I wasn't just teeth and hair, I broke stories and I worked hard. That's the key to my success. Do what the boss wants. Travel the country or around the world for the CBC. Because nothing I've done has come to me easily.
    Was the Chief Justice outmanoeuvred? No, he could have called it down. Duffy says maybe Laskin wanted the cameras, to make it more open to Canadians, he was extrordinary judge. In 1988, Duffy moved from CBC to Baton Broadcasting, a sort of cooperative of 12 stations, Duffy says. Duffy was always posted on Parliament Hill from 1974 to 1988 for the CBC. And then worked on the Hill for CTV too. He hosted a show called Sunday Edition for the channel, when he went over. It was a mix of Face the Nation and CBS Sunday Morning, Duffy says. Duffy says then he went to host a nightly (from 1988) spot on CFTO in Toronto, in which they talked about the politics of the day. And then it expanded over the years.
    These are the channel 9 broadcasts you referred to? Yes. When did Mike Duffy Live start? I'm sorry it's a blur. He says he can't remember how long it was on air, he doesn't want to give a wrong answer. Duffy says about 8 years? Holmes says this is not a trick. Duffy says no, no I just want to be accurate. From the 70s to 2008 you covers federal politics in Ottawa? That's correct, Duffy says. The program was unique because it was broadcast from the foyer? Most of the time, yes. CPAC would also do panels from the foyer. And Don Newman, from CBC, would do double-enders with politicians from the foyer. He was the first to do programs from the foyer, Duffy says, 'he was the pioneer.' But Duffy was first to regularly host a show from there.
    Was it fair to describe you as a star on the rise in the 70s and 80s? I was a reporter, I don't know about the star bit Duffy says, 'I was a keener.' Was your show - Mike Duffy Live - a highly sought after posting? I was the only one who had done it so I don't know. Were you the senior parliamentary correspondent for the largest private broadcaster in Canada? That sounds like something the PR department dreamt up. Mike Duffy live was purely politics? Yes, the very odd times we'd have other folks. No lifestyle? No. You deal with issues of public policy? Yes. You interviewed many senators? Sort of, Duffy says, we had Terry Strachan and Liberal George Baker. Duffy says it was 'ok,' of a segment he says. They were really looking for a Conservative George Baker, a better storyteller.
    Did your proximity to these politicians give you access? Access to what? To them. Actually no, Duffy says, the Senate is on the right hand side. Peace Tower is in the middle the, the House is on the left. Duffy says the senate is very particular about the senators being in the chamber when it's sitting. There are only about 4 people who come down the hall to the House of Commons. Duffy says there is a lot of protocol and conventions; there is a separate gallery for senators in the House. Duffy says senate leadership would only come down to his hall once or twice a year. Duffy says Anne Cools, an independent, would come down to the House foyer. Senators do not come down and hang out with MPs, Duffy says. Holmes says but senators and MPs would have joint caucus meetings. Yes. So you'd speak to senators after those meetings? Well, Mr. Holmes, you have to remember they're not elected. Senators would not scrum with the media at caucus outs, that would not be appreciated by the elected MPs.
    MPs have to get elected; they would spend time at the mic. 'I wasn't nearly as intimate with the workings of the senate as you might assume,' Duffy says. But he says of course i knew some senators. 'You don't see senators trolling for cameras. They don't hang around,' Duffy says. A few might hang around. 'There is an understanding that this is there place,' Duffy says it's been like this since there were cameras in parliament.
    Did you know you'd be muzzled when you were appointed? Duffy says senators aren't muzzled, they just communicate differently with the press. Can call a press conference.
    Was there a particular focus on scandals and controversies on Mike Duffy Live? Not particularly, if it was in the news. Duffy says they tried to reach out to the provinces too, reserved time for local issues, and monitored local media. Duffy says they wanted to avoid being called Toronto-focused. He'd have journalists, premiers. So your show was a panel show? No, I can get you a DVD if you like, Duffy says with a laugh. Duffy says all the shows now are just one big panel. We had interviews with newsmakers, and MPs debate, too.
    Holmes is examining Duffy diary from 2008. Shows guests that were on his show. Duffy also points out the announcement of big job cuts in 2008. was your appointment to the senate something you lobbied for? Never. Did you make your interest known to the Conservatives, or Liberals? No. Holmes says the media has said you actively courted a senate job. Duffy says 'do you believe everything you read on the Internet?' Duffy said he had been offered a position earlier, by another PM, said no I'm a journalist. Duffy said it was joke with other journalists to refer to him as a senator. Did you approach Cheretien to say 'I'm ready, I'm ready.' No. Duffy says it's become part of the legend. So we're in agreement that media reports are inaccurate? Duffy says well you can't issue a press release to say 'I dont want to be a senator.' Duffy says he didn't want to be a senator, he says his accountant told him he couldn't afford to be a senator. Duffy says it's most the best position when you're in the midst of your business career, I declined immediately when offered by another PM. His accountant told him 'just do the math you can't live on it with what you're carrying.' Duffy says it would be 'crass, it would be crass,' to ask for a senate appointment; he says 'it's not how I was brought up, it's not how the system works.'
    Duffy says an sentinent person should take what a person writes in the media, as that journalist's point of view. Duffy says Chretien never said I asked for a senate seat, he was at a roast, he said 'I'm ready.' Duffy says politicians pick and shave words carefully. 'Mr Holmes one must approach these things with a balanced view and these kinds of things, these kind of rumours.' Duffy asks Holmes, would you go and ask the premier to become a judge? Or the minister of justice? No. I never did it, Duffy says. Holmes accepts what he's saying, but are you saying media are liars and untrue? Duffy says I'm not going to get into a fight with the media, 'don't get into a fight with people who buy ink by the gallon,' Duffy says. Holmes says, well you've relied on media reports for your case, haven't you? Duffy says give the weight to them that you want. He says the report of senate study in the globe and mail, make of it what you will, Duffy says.
    In June 2008, you went up to meet Harper in his office. That was the first time I met him in his office, Duffy says. CSO brought him up. He met with Duffy before meeting with the chief of the defence staff, who was kept waiting. You said it was rude. Duffy said i didn't say rude, I thought it was strange, 'politics before policy.' Duffy says 'do you want me to go through all the times Harper kept bureaucrats or people waiting. Duffy gives another example in Crapaud in PEI. Harper kept seniors waiting for a long time, while he was sitting there in his undershirt eating a hot dog and his 'little female staffer was doing what she should be doing, ironing his shirt.'
    Duffy says he thought it was rude; Duffy says he won't go further down this road of gossip, he doesn't want to engage. Holmes says so you're refusing to answer questions? Duffy says I can't think of any other examples at this time. But you just told me there were countless examples of him being rude. You did all this campaign work for him, but you didn't like him? Holmes asks. Duffy said I didn't like certain aspects of his personality, but that wasn't reason enough not to vote for him.
    You had a long history of reporting on Parliament Hill? Yes. Some informal meetings with politicians? Yes. Holmes brings up Trudeau. Duffy said he'd speak to me yes, he asked for what the latest news of the day. You'd meet with PMs all the time? Once or twice a year Duffy said. The rest were off the cuff remarks, going down the stairs, Duffy says. Harper corrected one aspect of your program about the national debt in June 2008? Yes. Were you wrong? Probably. Were you commonly wrong on your program? Duffy sidesteps says, he thought it unusual for Harper to bring him up, leave the CDS and top bureaucrats waiting, to correct one line of Duffy's show. Duffy said he wanted to gossip about Hubert Lacroix's appointment to the president of the CBC. Duffy says the conversation about numbers 'were dull and boring,' he offered me a Coke, Duffy said he moved away from the conversation to ask about Lacroix. Duffy asked him if he was a federalist, Harper just shrugged. Duffy says he didn't believe it, no politician would make such an appointment without knowing everything about them. Holmes tries to trip him up; Duffy got the dates wrong. Holmes says Lacroix was appointed in November 2007. Duffy says he might have mixed up the meetings.
    When you gave us the story about how you were appointed to the senate, you got a key detail wrong. Duffy says either the day he was appointed or the day after I had a meeting with Harper, he couldn't tell me much about Lacroix. Duffy says that told me a lot about him as a man. Duffy says Chretien would have been much more forthcoming, would have sung his praises. Duffy says this is about the character of the man. When I got bafflegab from Harper I realized that this was a 'different cat.'
    We relied on your testimony as being truthful and accurate, you realize that right? Holmes says. To the best of my knowledge. Holmes suggests that the answer to the Lacroix issue is very important. Holmes wants Duffy to check his diary to see if he put this Harper meeting and appointment conversation into the diary. Duffy says he doesn't have diary here today, will check and bring it back tomorrow. Holmes says that meeting told you that he was not a truth teller? No, Duffy says, it made me realize that he wouldn't tell me everything, he wouldn't be forthcoming with me. He'd only tell me what you needed to know. That's different than being a liar, Duffy says, I realized that he wouldn't be candid with me on issues that were relatively unimportant like the Lacroix thing. Duffy says he'd use background conversions to inform his on-air talk. He says in the past he'd use that sort of insight on live television. Instead I got a 'holding' answer, as the Harper PMO called it Duffy says.
    Duffy says he wasn't asking about Lacroix just for gossip; he said head of CBC is important for national unity. Were you a supporter of the Conservative party in June 2008? No I wouldn't or a Liberal or an NDP. You said you appreciated Harper's correction. Duffy said he accepted it, and told him to call him anytime. Did you accept corrections from Jack Layton? Yes, he was in my house after my open heart surgery playing the guitar. What about Stephane Dion does he come to your house? Duffy says Dion is a Canadian hero, but he had his Stanfield drops the football moment when he had an interview with Steve Murphy from CTV Atlantic affiliate. They started and stopped the interview; couldn't answer some questions on the economy. I replayed it after it was already on the public record in Atlantic Canada, Murphy's interview with Dion. Duffy says Dion and his team were very irked
    Why are you telling me this story? You asked me about Dion, Duffy said. Did you think it was fair to rebroadcast the interview Dion did with Murphy? Absolutely it was already on the public record. And by the way the decision was made by the president of CTV news. But I agreed. You wouldn't rebroadcast it now, would you? Yes I would, Duffy says. But that's not what the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council said is it, Holmes said. Duffy said 'it wasn't a dirty trick.' Holmes says they found that you, Duffy behaved unfairly. You'd do it again after hearing that? Yes I would.
    Duffy says media has changed. I'd definitely broadcast in this day and age. You'd rebroadcast Dion's inability to understand a question put to him. You broadcast that on Oct. 9, 2008, five days before the election, do you think that's appropriate? Turn it on its head! Should we not have broadcast that? It was an important question about the economy and he couldn't understand of answer. 'You're arguing for censorship,' Duffy says, we can't not broadcast news just because someone's feelings might get hurt. I took no joy in running that tape, Duffy says. And two months after running that tape you were appointed to the senate? That's right.
    Holmes is asking about Duffy's meetings with Harper on December 8 in 2008. And then again on December 16. What happened on Dec. 8? Ray Novak, Jeremy Hunt and the PM were present. How long was the meeting? I got there 6:30. It was probably 30-35 minutes, because it says 8:15 dinner. And it takes 40 min to get home to Kanata.
    Tell us what went on. I was ushered in, Jeremy greeted me at the door, he said 'great to see you,' there was some small talk. I was offered a Coke. There was talk about the coalition, and the near death experience. The PM asked me 'what do you think about the Senate,' Ray was there. Duffy said flippantly 'you have to cure it or kill it,' and Harper asked what he thought about term limits. Duffy said he supported them. Harper said you know how bad that place is, Harper told Duffy that 'one third of the senators don't do any work at all, you know,' Duffy said he didn't believe, he thought the number was higher. Harper said only about 30 or so senators actually do any work. Harper said what we really need is a triple-E senate, Duffy said it would never happen because premiers wouldn't allow it. Duffy said how can 13 million people in Ontario elect one senator? Premiers don't want competition as to who speaks for their province. What do you think term limits should be? Duffy said I haven't really thought about it, but two terms of parliament and a little bit, Duffy says. That's all I remember from that meeting. That's all you remember? There might be other stuff but I can't remember what happened on the 8th of the 16th. There must be a third meeting, Duffy says. There was a third meeting, Holmes says, but you didn't tell us about that last week.
    Duffy says the offer to become a senator came on Dec. 20, when there was a phone call. When does he propose to you that you join the senate? It must have been on Dec. 16 in the Centre Block, Duffy says he must have got it wrong when he says it was in the Langevin Block. On Dec. 6, there is a diary entry 'Dion resigns,' was that mentioned in the meeting? No in my experience Harper seems relatively uninterested about the other parties; he must discuss it with his inner circle, Duffy says.
    FYI - I asked our visual library for any pictures of a Harper rally in Crapaud, PEI in July 2010. (Re: Duffy's story about Harper eating a hot dog in his undershirt while a female staffer ironed his dress shirt). Looks like this rally was end of August 2010, and we didn't cover, unfortunately. If anyone has any photos of this event, please let us know.

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    On Dec. 16, Duffy meets Harper; He invites him to be a senator on Dec. 16. Duffy said he had to go back and talk to Heather. He called his 'best friend' Bob Fife; Fife said 'go for it.' Duffy decides he's going to do it. next day he faxes the PEI property deed for the Cavendish home to Dave Penner in the PMO. He authorized PCO to allow the CRA to look into his taxes. Were you actively considering retiring from broadcasting at that times? Yes, I was considering it. We saw the layoffs at CTV, we were thinking 'what are we going to do with the rest of our lives.'
    Breaking for 20 minutes.
    Holmes now turning to the Dec. 16 meeting that Duffy had with Harper in the Centre Block. The question about his residency in PEI came up. Who was present? Ray Novak, Harper. He spoke to Fife in the morning, he told him to go for it. Duffy says this is the meeting where Harper asked Duffy about joining the Senate. Duffy says he can't remember what the first thing he said to him was, he never expected to be asked to join the senate and 'the whole conversation was a bit surreal,' Duffy says. Harper told Duffy there is a number of vacancies in the senate, and I have to fill them. Harper asked him about his situation. Do you own propert in PEI? We own a cottage in Cavendish, we plan to retire there when I'm retired from CTV. Harper said you could speed up your retirement, go info the senate and represent PEI. Duffy told him that it would be 'a lot less controversial,' to go in representing Ontario. He said he wanted to go in as an independent like Michael Pittfield. Harper said, no, it's PEI and you're going in as an independent, I can't have the whip running all over looking for you for votes. Duffy said he had to speak to heather. That ended that meeting. You told Harper that you're planning to retire in a couple years? But you told me before the break that you were planning to retire. Duffy says no, he was planning to retire at the normal age at 65. He had a deal with CTV to stay on. Duffy says he was just thinking about retirement, wasn't going to do right there and then.
    There's a diary entry from 2008 about having a meeting with Bob Hearst about 'early retirement.' Duffy says that was a conversation about just that; some well known folks from Toronto had been laid off. Duffy asked the president of CTV news if he wanted Duffy to retire early. Bob said no, and when he did retire from CTV he wanted Duffy to do some work for them on and off. He made some $300,000 from CTV and all sources of income in his last year. He made $130,000 as a senator. Hearst said they wanted Duffy full time until retirement age, and then he could do a weekly show or something to that effect. Duffy says that's no unusual, you still see Craig Oliver doing that sort of thing.
    Dec. 15 at 5 p.m. Harper made an appearance on ATV; interviews by Steve Murphy, Duffy rebroadcast part of the interview. They didn't talk about the appearance. Dec. 18 another meeting with Harper, this is following up on the meeting on the 16th. On 17th Duffy faxes PEI deed, CRA release form. They wanted to vet you? That's correct. He met with the PM again on 18th, as part of that vetting process. What was discussed? When the announcement was going to be made, there was going to be a formal request made to become a senator and they foresaw that announcement coming on the following Monday. He would be calling me on the weekend to nail it down. That's where it seemed to be a go, Duffy says. Jeremy Hunt was effusive about Duffy joining the team, we're focused on getting a majority during the next election. Is it fair to say that after the 16th you're strongly considering take the position? Yes. You're still on air as an independent journalist? Yes. Do you see any conflict of interest? There's a potential for one, I avoid controversy, Duffy says. He hosts the show on the 17th, Jim Flaherty was on the show; Dominic Leblanc and also Tom Mulcair. You didn't share the news with anyone else in management at CTV? No, just Fife who was also on the program.
    The 19th is the last show of the season; and the last Mike Duffy Live ever. He received a call on the 20th, at the Kanata home, a formal offer. Did you call it the Kanata house then? No, I called it home. Duffy resigned from CTV on that day. On the Monday he went up to the Hill. You had your first caucus on January 7th? That's right. Had a national caucus meeting at 7 am; and then senate orientation later that same day. All the new senators appointed were there? Possibly one or two missing. Holmes asks what was said during the orientation
    The caucus leadership all spoke - Marjorie LeBreton, caucus chair David Tkachuk, and the whip Terry Stratton and the deputy leader Gerald Comeau. Basic message was 'welcome,' she said there's a lot of work to be done despite what you might hear; the whip will give you all your committee assignments; 'this is a serious place, we do serious work.' LeBreton said don't tell your travel plans to the Liberals, they track attendance. She made a pitch on behalf of Irving Gerstein for the Conservative Fund, donate $100 a month. Get claims in on time within 60 days, if not you get docked. Two big musts: Must be here or pay will be docked after 21 days, and you must get your claims in on time. And then there are caucus dues, some other fees to be paid on time.
    The key person who spoke with Tkachuk. He said come to me with all your staffing questions; if you have anything with a question mark come to me first before heading to senate administration. Why? He wanted to hear about any problems first. You had orientation with senate staff? Yeah those little 5 minute briefings, they sent a box of stuff. This was a pretty important posting isn't it? Posting? Appointment yeah, Duffy said. Duffy was told if there was anything at issue see Tkachuk. Did you read the SARS? I skimmed them. Senate administration said to you too that they'd answer questions? Oh yeah. Did you have a reason to mistrust that stuff? Not at all. So you're instructed to keep travel plans from the Liberals, but there's no reason to keep things from the senate administration? No. Even if they were embarrassing? Embarrassing? How could travel claims be embarrassing, Duffy asks? Holmes clarifies that there wasn't a reason to keep things from senate administration? No. Duffy says Tkachuk had to be in the loop about problems; all travel claims went through senate adminstration Duffy says.
    Duffy says there was an overarching issue - even before he was appointed UPEI prof Bulger raises residency issues with Duffy. Duffy met with LeBreton on the 6th to discuss; she produced a legal memo that showed Duffy was a-ok. Did that out that issue to rest? 'I'm a nervous pervus,' so he still pulled Tkachuk aside the next day on the 7th. He wanted reassurements that this wouldn't be an issue: Tkachuk said the senate speaker would be ignore Bulger's letter about the residency. Tkachuk told Duffy that you have to claim everything that the other PEI senators claim. 'There can't be any light between you and the other senators because then you open up the debate that 'oh he's different in some way.'
    Duffy says his residency had already been looked at by PCO. The Senate law clerk, Audcent, would have raised it as an issue if there were problems, at the orientation. Tkachuk said I was fine. Did you know Tkachuk well? No, I had interviewed him once or twice. We were acquaintances, Duffy said. Duffy says speaker wouldn't respond to Bulger's letter, because senate of Canada considered residency issue a closed issue; would not respond to legitimize his claims. Tkachuk said you meet requirements, you pay for your house, hydro, taxes, you have a house and a housing allowance applies. What about per diems, I don't believe in per diems, Duffy says he said. Tkachuk said that he must claim them so there's no difference between him and other senators from PEI. 'You're entitled for an allowance here.' Did it cross your mind that Tkachuk didn't have the whole picture? No. Did he know it was a cottage? I told him that we were converting to a home. But did he know the hydro was shut off for the season? I don't think that's relevant. You paid property taxes as a non-resident in PEI? They're tied to income taxes in PEI, Duffy says. You had an OHIP card? I wanted it to have access to my doctor here in Ottawa for my heart, Duffy says. (This is a testy stand off).
    More on that standoff....
    Duffy: I wanted an OHIP card for my heart.
    Holmes: But you can only get one if you live in Ontario.
    Duffy: (pauses) I'm not a lawyer.
    To recap, Holmes says, on January 7, 2009, Tkachuk goes through a list of things that you pay in PEI. You answer him, that's right. So you purchased your home in 1997? That's right. Your habit before buying 10 Friendly Lane was to go to PEI in the summer and over Christmas? Yes, and other times throughout the year. His mother lived there. He'd go for about a week at Christmas. So you bought cavendish home with he intention of converting it into a permanent resident. Up until 2012, the cottage was not available for winter use? Well it was available. If you were a polar bear, I suppose, Holmes says, the water and hydro were shut off. It was cold. Duffy says he spent $100,000 from the time he was appointed to before the citizen published it's story.
    Looking at diary entries from Dec. 31 to January 3, 2013. Looking at the entries from 3rd and 4th, you visited PEI. You stayed in a hotel. He went to Friendly Lane to check snow drifts. The greatest impediment to going to 10 Friendly Lane is lane access? That's correct, and getting out if i had a heart problem. when working at CTV his plan as to retire in Florida, have a pied a terre in Ottawa and have a home in PEI. Duffy says there was no final dare in mind while at CTV to renovate 10 Friendly Lane. Duffy said it was 3 or 4 years away. Duffy points to Jeff Hutchison who does canada AM from PEI. Duffy says there were things to work out after he quit daily television.
    In December 2008 did you have firm plans for what the next renovation step would be? No. It would happen some time in the future? That's correct. Heather got a quote for a roof? In 2008? Bayne interjects no it was 2009. Duffy says 'yeah May 2009.' They had a roofer come out to check, the Duffy's were concerned about heavy snowfall. Cliff Dollard, their contractor, said it was fine. We have done work to it since then. You delayed foundation renovations until 2012? That's correct. We couldn't find someone who could fix our problem with water, they're at the bottom of the hill so it pools. Duffy said they hadn't found a satisfactory solution. Duffy says they had the Eco audit, but nobody had a solution that they believed could work.
    Foundation work is precisely the kind of work that Gerry Donohue does with his business isn't it? Duffy says he didn't think that was primarily his line of work. He thought he just did walls of concrete; Duffy said he wanted the 'wood look,' for the PEI home.
    Holmes asks about his real estate plans. So you were to have a home in Florida, Ottawa and PEI? Duffy says he hadn't work it all out, could depend Duffy said if they wanted him in Toronto could have had a pied a terre there. Duffy says he wasn't sure whether he was going to rent or buy in Florida. Did your appointment to the senate accelerate work to 10 friendly lane? It accelerate. We realized the moment I was appointed, I was a resident of PEI. I knew we had to put meat on the bones. I owned the property, I had to make it my main residence, it was my constitutional anchor.' What was your main residence before you were appointed? Kanata. And then cavendish became your main residence? Yes it had to be. That's why I went to get my PEI drivers license. Audcent, senate law clerk, told me my main residence had to be in PEI.
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