Wednesdays with Kady - October 8, 2014

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Kady, agreed that we can do both; but if we are bombing, any aid workers who are not just in the area of Syria or Iraq for example - but in the entire ME region - the spillover will put aid workers in danger so it becomes an issue for aid attempts.

by MB 10/8/2014 4:22:36 PM
DND probably does have room in their budget given the ships they just mothballed.

by EMB428 10/8/2014 4:22:40 PM
In that case I wish there were more like Bob Rae.

by Hemlock 10/8/2014 4:22:46 PM
thanks , I just had to get that out .

by A Radical 10/8/2014 4:23:07 PM
I think we'll just let that comment stand by itself, though, A Radical, if that's okay!

by Kady O'Malley 10/8/2014 4:23:39 PM
EMB428, there is significant one-time cost in the decommissioning of ships.

by Steve S 10/8/2014 4:23:54 PM
Parenthetically, I do find the repeated use of 'law abiding' when discussing gun owners/laws to be coming close to the talking points doth protest too much.

by Kady O'Malley 10/8/2014 4:24:28 PM
Steve tere is but it can be deferred. For now, eliminating the operating cost generates a whole lot of surplus $. The old Navy chick talking here. ;)

by EMB428 10/8/2014 4:25:18 PM
Question about military action because I just don't know: By convention, does the GG need to officially approve the deployment?

by WrightRyan 10/8/2014 4:26:25 PM
Just me possibly but I actually thought most of the debate for & against this mission was pretty lame

by Martyn 10/8/2014 4:26:29 PM
Dean Beeby is standing by to talk about things falling apart... with the bricks and mortar on Parliament Hill, that is. May I propose another five minutes or so on ISIS (including today's committee meeting? no one has any thoughts on the domestic threat angle?) and then a shift in topics?

by Janyce McGregor 10/8/2014 4:26:48 PM
Am i the only one that is worried about Turkey's stance on Kobane? I understand the history with Kurds but it's right on their border..

by Bonnie N 10/8/2014 4:27:01 PM
Ryan W - No, it is exclusively an executive decision, which is why Parliament shouldn't vote on it. (Sorry, but you knew that was coming.)

by Kady O'Malley 10/8/2014 4:27:01 PM
Interesting timing - introducing a firearms bill in the middle of the ISIL debate. Almost like the government wanted it introduced with the minimum attention possible.

by Steve S 10/8/2014 4:27:06 PM
Martyn - There were occasional moments of actual debate, but the format is dreadful. No one actually needs 20 minutes to speechify.

by Kady O'Malley 10/8/2014 4:27:24 PM
Steve S - Which is itself bizarre, as they were also trying to make a pretty big deal of it -- had a bunch of smiling rural MPs on hand for the reveal, etc.

by Kady O'Malley 10/8/2014 4:28:01 PM
I don't entirely understand why they didn't wait until, say, today to do it.

by Kady O'Malley 10/8/2014 4:28:15 PM
Bonnie N: I think lots of *Turks* are worried about Turkey's stance on Kobani. Which explains the protests there, and across Europe, by Kurds and others. We've seen Kurdish Canadians out on this too.

by Janyce McGregor 10/8/2014 4:28:24 PM
Bonnie N I wonder the same-the more I read about Turkey the more confusing it seems..

by Hemlock 10/8/2014 4:28:30 PM
Kurds have been a force for separatism in Turkey (or some of them, anyway) so it's awkward for them now to declare the Kurds allies in the fight against ISIS. But sometimes the enemy of your enemy is your friend. It's a tight spot to be in.

by Janyce McGregor 10/8/2014 4:30:01 PM
With NDP & Liberals already fighting against Mission opposing ISIL will they also take a huge stand against the new firearms bill? less likely=political timing

by Martyn 10/8/2014 4:30:06 PM
I believe the operating adjective to describe the state of the ISIS conflict is "fluid".

by Kady O'Malley 10/8/2014 4:30:07 PM
The CF-18 also has an air-to-surface role in support of the land forces. The first two roles are similar, but surface support is very different from air combat. These air-to-surface missions require additional training for the pilots, demand different weapons, and place a greater amount of structural fatigue upon the aircraft.--from DND paper--these aircraft are indeed old. Some RCAF officers have said that other aircraft will need to be scavenged for parts for this mission--the secondary and strenuous role of this aircraft

by henderk 10/8/2014 4:30:12 PM
*no one* needs 20m? Kevin Lamoureux takes longer to say "yes."

by Guest 10/8/2014 4:30:24 PM
Martyn - I suspect they'll support some provisions, and oppose others.

by Kady O'Malley 10/8/2014 4:30:28 PM
Kady - it got frustrating for me hearing recycled content and often claims & comments that could not be reconciled with info. (that actually was available)

by Martyn 10/8/2014 4:30:29 PM
Guest - Oh, he's elastic -- he can stretch it out for 20 minutes, or squeeze into a 10 minute Q&C period.

by Kady O'Malley 10/8/2014 4:30:52 PM
When it comes to the issues like this , and watching the debate last night we found NDP and Liberals are not capable to handle such international events....how could they be present Canada on the World stage...???

by Peter Chuong 10/8/2014 4:31:01 PM
Yesterday, either PnP or PowerPlay had a retired general (Boucher???) on. He made point that the ROE in earlier war were that no bombings/engagement was to occur if there was any doubt that civilians might be injured. He said 2/3 of the sorties came back w/o dumping their bombs. Made me feel better.

by lyndaler 10/8/2014 4:31:11 PM
Martyn - Yes, there was definitely a lot of rhetoric being recycled on both sides.

by Kady O'Malley 10/8/2014 4:31:18 PM
That is indeed a viewpoint, Peter!

by Kady O'Malley 10/8/2014 4:31:36 PM
Lyndaler - Yes -- I hope he comes to committee to take questions on that, because it might be helpful for MPs worried about the possibility of inadvertently exacerbating the situation,

by Kady O'Malley 10/8/2014 4:32:20 PM
I was just wondering your thoughts on why Justin Trudeau has taken a stance against a combat role. I understand the NDP as that is their traditional position, but with senior liberal commentators such as Bob Rae, Hillary Clinton, and others, is there a politically conscientious reason the Liberals have taken this stance?

by Matt MacDonald 10/8/2014 4:32:22 PM
From a political perspective I will say Harper & Muclair come out of this looking stronger & it was horrifically bad for Trudeau

by Martyn 10/8/2014 4:32:28 PM
As for Turkey, is it likely that they haven't done anything with Kobane, and are standing on the border, because they're waiting to be attacked on home soil, so they can invoke NATO's intervention? Must be hard to stand by and watch horror approaching a neighbouring town, where surely there are relatives, despite a border.

by lyndaler 10/8/2014 4:33:04 PM
Time marches on and I'd like to stick to the warning I gave, so let's change topics... Dean, welcome!

by Janyce McGregor 10/8/2014 4:33:14 PM
Matt - As they've explained repeatedly, they believe the government has failed to make a compelling case for its proposed strategy, and has failed to work with other parties -- whether through briefings or consultations -- to come up with a consensus.

by Kady O'Malley 10/8/2014 4:33:17 PM
Yes, welcome, Dean!

by Kady O'Malley 10/8/2014 4:33:33 PM
Hi all!

by dean.beeby 10/8/2014 4:33:34 PM
If you haven't read Dean's story yet, you'll need to in order to follow the chat from here, I think:
Crumbling House of Commons puts MPs and visitors at risk, report says
Crumbling brickwork and loose window glass in the House of Commons pose a "potentially catastrophic," life-threatening risk to members of Parliament and others, an internal Public Works report warns.

by Janyce McGregor 10/8/2014 4:33:57 PM
*Crumbling HoC* was one of the headline boxes at beginning of this chat. This morning our CBC radio station used the headline *HoC in decay*. Never a more true statement issued, though I believe they were referring to the windows in the building.

by lyndaler 10/8/2014 4:34:14 PM
@kady - with MPs in the House of Commons apparently in danger of falling masonry, could you see HOC in a different venue whilst it is being repaired? Or would the House just not sit during reno? Surely MPs and visitors cannot be put in danger indefinitely yet nation's business still has to carry on?

by Shelley C 10/8/2014 4:34:20 PM
On the subject of parliament disintegrating, is does Parliament have to sit in the Chamber to make binding decisions?

by smancuso 10/8/2014 4:34:24 PM
Shelley C - Before I cede the floor to Dean, it's worth pointing out that MPs will have to temporarily relocate when Centre Block is closed down for renovations -- although that date keeps being pushed further and further in the future.

by Kady O'Malley 10/8/2014 4:35:12 PM
A lot of people have picked up on the metaphor of the Commons in decay - truth is, the building has been neglected for years, and we`re paying the price now.

by dean.beeby 10/8/2014 4:35:24 PM

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